Sunday, December 14, 2008
Blame it on Jeff - Part Deux
Well, I e-mailed Jeff on Friday night to find out if we were going to podcast and I have not heard from him. It is Sunday at 10:39 AM as I type this. I guess that means no. Maybe he has quit it without telling me? I'm not sure what to think. Maybe you can write him and push him to do it or to admit he quits. I think he admitted too much on his Obama post that he is a foreigner and now is hiding under his desk. I guess we'll find out. If I hear before you do, I'll let you know. Thanks for reading.
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Danny,
I had to do what pays the bills, and that’s work, both Saturday and today.
I will take the time to answer you about me admitting that our President elect Obama was not a Natural Born Citizen.
I hate to tell you but the General Presidential election is over, but you like so many other Americans cannot, and will not let it go, and look for any reason that may keep President elect Obama from serving as the President.
You stated, you are so concern because you know he will destroy this country.
My questions to you are:
Where is you concern when over 2 million Americans lost their jobs this year
Where is your concern when there are over 45 millions Americans who don’t have health insurance
Where is your concern when the unemployment rate is at 6.7% and expected to go higher
Where is you concern when we lost Flagship American companies at an alarming rate
Where is you concern when were are about to loss another industry (Manufacturing)
Looks like to me, you are not a concerns citizen, if so, you would have been more concerned with the current Bush administration.
I don’t understand your concern. You see, 70% of Americans are reporting they are very satisfied with his cabinet selections, so far, and it is pretty evident that the new administration will be a lot smarter than the current administration, so why are you so concerned?
My reply about President elect Obama not being a Natural Born Citizen; I am not going to entertain that, so if you would like to chase that dog down a trail, please do so, I hope it takes you 4 to 8 years to catch it.
What I was talking about, President elect Obama having dual citizenship.
President elect Obama’ S mother being a US citizen, and he being born in Hawaii, and his father being a citizen of Kenya (thus a British subject), and this under British law, Obama was conferred as a British citizenship.
When he was born, Kenya was a colony of the British Empire and his father was a citizen of Kenya (thus a British subject). That later reverted to dual nationality between the US and Kenya when Kenya obtained independence in 1963.
At age 18 when Obama made no affirmative movement towards retaining Kenyan nationality, he lost all claims to that nationality.
Jeff:
We'll talk about this so called work tomorrow. You and I both know how calling in from home every few hours is not really work. But if you want to use that as an excuse, that's your call.
I want to THANK you so much yet again for PROVING my case that Obama is not a natural born citizen! Let's show the Constitution shall we:
Article 2, Section 1 of the US Constitution says:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
One MUST be a natural born citizen at his birth before he can be President. You have already admitted he was not. If we are a country of laws, Obama can NOT serve and you MUST join with me in having him step down. Then you must be a witness at his fraud trial and help put him away.
What about the part that reads "or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,"? The Constitution was adopted in 1789. If Obama can prove he wsa born in 1788 then he could serve. However, he would need to prove he is 220 years old! Not likely since no one lives past 120 years old. Plus you admitted as has he that he was born in 1961.
Therefore, Obama cannot serve one day. If so, Bush, Cheney, all 535 members of Congress, the SCOTUS and all other judges and electors that did this, MUST be tried for treason. Once found guilty, the punishment must be levied. This is that serious.
I wanted to get this out there. I will do another comment on your "concerned" section.
Danny,
You must be reading in Morse code or something, what I said “President elect Obama’s mother being a US citizen, and he being born in Hawaii.”
Check the US Constitution, that’s a Natural Born Citizen, period!
Jeff:
we have your post on the last blog ADMITTING he is NOT a natural born citizen! You have sealed your fate. Now, I'll move on to answer the rest of the first post.
Danny,
You are as wrong about the President elect Obama as you are about me working this weekend. You see, today was a product release, and my entire team worked in the office from 8 AM to 4 PM, so you are wrong on many issues. Just that I am the only one who takes the time to tell you, everyone else thinks it's just a waste of time to tell you, but I waste that time.
Jeff:
This is in answer to your "concerned" sestion of your first post.
You said:
Where is you concern when over 2 million Americans lost their jobs this year
I reply:
Where is your concern when Democrats covered up for Fannie and Freddie that caused ALL this mess? Yes, Democrats caused this. You have no concern about that as you helped to vote these morons into power! So much for your concern. Since the Dem's caused this mostly, where is your praise for Pres Bush for creating 10 million jobs? Therefore, we are still up 8 million new jobs! Let's hear your praise.
Jeff mutters:
Where is your concern when there are over 45 millions Americans who don’t have health insurance
I reply:
You know as well as I do the number is not that high. 12-20 million of that number are illegal so we owe them nothing since they broke our laws. What do you care about laws since you spit on the Constitution! Also, we have 350 million people in this country. Let's assume your 45 million number. 305 million HAVE insurance! Why do you want to destroy the system we have so that no one has insurance? Oh, I forgot your socialist ways..it's fair when we all have NOTHING! Wake up man!
Jeff said:
Where is your concern when the unemployment rate is at 6.7% and expected to go higher
I reply:
Call for the impeachment of Barney Frank and all his buddies like Dodd, et al and I'll know you are serious. Until them, stop faking like you have a drop of concern!
Jeff said:
Where is you concern when we lost Flagship American companies at an alarming rate
I reply:
Flagship? Lehman Brothers? Are you kidding me! We have gone trillions in debt already thanks to these "flagship companies" for committing fraud, Put the scum bags in prison and let's start executing these creeps!
Jeff said:
Where is you concern when were are about to loss another industry (Manufacturing)
Looks like to me, you are not a concerns citizen, if so, you would have been more concerned with the current Bush administration.
I reply:
All my replies above answer this one so I recommend you reread what I have written. Let these scums go away and let's make people pay for their sin instead of patting them on the back!
Jeff:
I noticed you did not mention yesterday which is when we do our podcast. Something is rotten in Denmark! I know your double talk so you know better than to pull the wool over my eye!
Danny,
One thing about facts, they are just that, regardless who tries to change them. Natural Born Citizen, is just that, if you think different, then prove it, if not, get out of the way, sit on the bench and watch. Not asking you to do anything, just get out of the way, after all, you did not say anything under the Bush administration. As you are witnessing the worst Presidential approval rating in model times, so can you convince the American public any different, or they are all wrong as well?
Jeff:
Just to make sure it is fresh on everyone's mind, here are your words:
"British law conferred British citizenship upon him as, when he was born, Kenya was a colony of the British empire and his father was a citizen of Kenya (thus a British subject)."
If you have DUAL citizenship, you are NOT natural born, but naturalized! Therefore, EVEN if Obama now proves he was born in Hawaii legitimately, it does not matter. He is naturalized and not natural born. Therefore, Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution CLEARLY says he cannot serve! He MUST be booted, tried for fraud, convicted and MUST serve his time. He is a common criminal! Let's treat him as such!
Jeff:
Facts are facts! Deal with the Constitution. I have posted it and noticed you fail to mention it. Is it that facts are too strong for you? Deal with Article 2 section 1. Let's go!
Danny,
President elect Obama maybe/ probably was a citizen of the British Crown (first two years of his life) and, effective 1963, a citizen of Kenya by way of his father’s nationality.
Under the Constitution of Kenya, he would have automatically forfeited his citizenship at the age of 21 unless he affirmatively “claimed” it.
1)Kenya prohibits dual citizenship and,
2)the US does not recognize dual citizenship with Kenya. Further under the Kenyan Constitution, given his circumstances, he could only have kept Kenyan Citizenship, if he had it, by means of a Ministerial, Prime Ministerial, or Presidential Decree.
So hope this will end that.
Jeff:
What a load of manure! Dual citizenship at BIRTH is IT! Not 1 second past! You said he was a dual citizen, hence, not natural born, hence, cannot be President. Now, stop back pedaling and join us and let's fight this guy together as we should! Now, deal with the Constitution Article 2, Section 1 or admit you spit on the Constitution. Time to put up or shut up!
Danny,
Joseph Mandoli was a dual US/Italian citizen by birth (born in the US to Italian parents). He left the US as an infant and moved to Italy with his parents. When he sought to return to the US in 1937, his claim to US citizenship was rejected.
The Supreme Court ruled that the law, as it then stood, did not permit natural-born US citizens to be stripped of US citizenship.
Once a Natural-born US citizens, always a Natural-born US citizens. This is The Supreme Court ruling here.
Jeff:
You asked for facts. You know I live on facts and when challenged, I deliver. From Findlaw, let's see if Obama is a foreigner. Someone asked the question and here it is in its glory:
A (us citizen) mother born in 1942, later gets married to a non-us citizen. She gives birth to a child in 1961. Two years after the child's birth, the mother moves with the child to a foreign country. The mother was 18 when the child was born. Is this child considered to be a natural born US citizen?
I referred to:
1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).
"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
(b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States at birth under paragraph (7) of subsection (a), shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless he shall come to the United States prior to attaining the age of twenty-three years and shall immediately following any such coming be continuously physically present in the United State(s) for at least five years: Provided, That such physical presence follows the attainment of the age of fourteen years and precedes the age of twenty-eight years.
(c) Subsection (b) shall apply to a person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934: Provided, however, That nothing contained in this subsection shall be construed to alter or affect the citizenship of any person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934, who, prior to the effective date of this Act, has taken up a residence in the United States before attaining the age of sixteen years, and thereafter, whether before or after the effective date of this Act, complies or shall comply with the residence requirements for retention of citizenship specified in subsections (g) and (h) of section 201 of the Nationality Act of 1940, as amended."
http://boards.answers.findlaw.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=5364.1&nav=messages&webtag=fl-answersmb
Under #7 above, she had to be 19 and she was 18 when he was born. That is the law at the time he was born. He is a foreign national.
Deal with the facts.
Jeff:
You did say facts are facts. I have shown you the prevailing law. Let's go further and look at these facts from http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Obama-USA-TODAY-ad.htm
To be eligible, Mr. Obama must be a “natural born citizen.” Constitution, Art. II, Sect. 1.
Original intent: both parents had to be US Citizens and birth had to be on US soil.
Legal Affidavits state that Mr. Obama was born in Kenya and father was Kenyan citizen.
An audio tape exists of his grandmother stating she was at his birth in Kenya.
Hawaii Dept of Health will NOT confirm Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.
Mr. Obama has only posted an unsigned, computer-generated HI form created in 2007 and
similar to the form used in HI in 1961 to register foreign births.
"FactCheck.org" which "independently" "verified" Obama’s certificate is an arm of the same
corporate Annenberg Foundation that Obama worked for w/ radical "Weatherman" Bill Ayers.
U.S. Law in 1961 denied citizenship to a child born in Kenya to Mr. Obama’s 18 year old mother.
Mr. Obama lost HIS U.S. citizenship (even if he had it) when his mother relinquished HER U.S.
citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.
These my friend are just some of the facts you must deal with. You see, his mother DID become an Indonesian citizen and so did he by both that act and his step father adopting him in Indonesia! Either way, Obama is a foreigner and per the Constitution, he must step down and do his prison time then we can deport him back home.
Until you can prove otherwise, your words will ring hollow for anyone seeking truth on this. Deal with the facts.
Danny,
Let's look at the Law.
Dual Nationality
http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
A person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship.
F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA,
Person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship. This must be done:
1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
2. in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
3. sign an oath of renunciation
I know this was not done, so by Law, Obama never lost his US Citizenship.
What do you have next?
Jeff:
I have the elephant in the room! You KEEP refusing to deal with it! Dual citizenship he had AT birth so said Jeff! Now, that means at BEST, he is a naturalized citizen and not natural born. You can throw up all the smokescreens you wish, but until you deal with this simple fact that you already admitted, he CANNOT serve as President! Deal with that single fact! You don't because you can't. End of story! I believe in chess they say checkmate!
Danny,
I guess you missed what The Supreme Court ruled in the Joseph Mandoli's case, "does not permit natural-born US citizens to be stripped of US citizenship."
If you can not get The Supreme Court to take the case, because they know how they have ruled in ealier cases, than this is a none issue. Only The Supreme Court can stop him, and they refuse to hear the case. It's over!
Jeff:
What year was that? You said 1937! When was Obama born? 1961. The law changed 2-3 times AFTER that hearing. Is slavery still legal in our country? It USED to be law! Deal with the law as it WAS in 1961. I stated it for you. You MUST deal with it and until you do, the honest reader knows you are not honest. Will you deal with it?
Jeff has e-mailed me twice and refuses to deal with the facts as they are. I just want this on the record. Jeff said facts are facts and he as always refuses to deal with the facts. I laid them out and he will not answer them. Maybe you can force him to admit defeat? However, I believe by running away like a scared rabbit shows he knows the truth but fails to admit it. What do you think?
Danny,
Like in sports, after all the talk, the game is played on the field.
You have to let this play out in a courtroom, but it will never make it to a courtroom, because The Supreme Court stated this case is without medit. It's not about what you or I think; it's what The Supreme Court said.
Dad,
Just a couple days ago, John McCain spoke to the graduate students here at Texas Tech University in Lubbock. He told students it is time to come together behind their new president. Here we have the defeated republican candidate speaking in a conservative city in Texas without anything bad to say about the president elect. Maybe he didn't get the memo.
Son:
John Mccain is not God. His word is not gospel. He lost as he is not a conservative as I have always said. Be careful who and what you believe.
Alex,
You and John McCain are very wise in that, when it’s time to battle, you battle with everything, but when the battle is over, it’s over, and leave it on the field, not against your opponent.
We see great examples of his every Sunday, in football, the players leave everything on the field, but when the game is over, you see player congratulating each other on both teams.
You don’t have to hate someone to compete against them; this is what young people bring to the process, so please continue to always believe as you do.
Jeff:
Your analogy is nonsensical. When has there been a football team whose stated goal was to utterly destroy the other team and the country they are in? Your sports analogy is no good here. Tell me, when terrorist win, who loses? When our Constitution is spat upon and used as you do other forms of paper, how can the country not be destroyed? Your guy, yes, he is YOUR guy, he will NEVER be my President, wants to destroy us. I will not sit idly by while that happens. He will face justice and he will not like it.
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